are growing, and we know, you know, obama care, not only is medicare already a huge entitlement, obama care just doubled down on all of our entitlements. people voted for it. and people voted for government. you're running the cato institute right now. what's 2014 going to look like? and what can cato institute do to try to, i don't know, orchestrate some type of a comeback for your side? >> we're working on that very hard. and the idea we have to do is convince people that the consequences of these policies are incredibly destructive, particularly for their children and grandchildren. >> totally fell on deaf ears in the past election. >> but we have to keep fighting that fight. unfortunately it's going to be a hard message to get through. because i don't think we're going to fall off the cliff. >> i would love -- >> look, let's say last night maybe i wanted notre dame to win because of -- for whatever reasons just maybe i shouldn't have. because maybe it wasn't very realistic. but if i could, take the side of the team saying, we're going to nail 10% of the people and we're going to pr